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Post by w2zero on Oct 10, 2007 15:17:45 GMT -5
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Post by roy on Oct 12, 2007 10:51:24 GMT -5
Ok, OK mustang 11 is a coil over set up. A strut set up like RRS or the set up CMJ is putting together just seems more of a road race, performance suspension set up that distributes the stress of cormering into the shock towers as otiginally designed. I;ve been a passenger in a 64 with the strut set up & a 63 with a heidts stang 11 set up. Form the pass. side the mustang 11 set up didn;t feel that different than my stock 63;s suspension the RRS car was noticeably quicker in corners, totally different feel
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Post by eliotsdad on Oct 12, 2007 11:28:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification, roy.
Does anyone know if you can use a stabilizer bar (anti-sway bar) with the RRS setup?
The reason I ask, is that I'll be running a pretty stiff bar in the IRS, and I don't think it is safe to do that without increasing the roll stiffness in front as well.
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Post by ca on Oct 12, 2007 12:27:18 GMT -5
it wold seem that there would have to be provisions for a sway bar but if not you would have to make them. you're right about the front/ rear thing. stiff in the rear and soft/none in the front and you would be swappin ends at every corner.
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Post by ca on Oct 12, 2007 12:34:18 GMT -5
when is the last time you saw a REAL road racing car with struts that the rules didn't allow for a suspension change? i know they have come to make struts handle better but when the rules allow, struts are always changed out for A arms.
this should git some crap started ;D
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Post by w2zero on Oct 12, 2007 14:03:03 GMT -5
The RRS uses the original lower control arms so the anti-sway bar still hooks up in the same place. Check out the RRS site, there are pictures galore and they have rear suspension as well.
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Post by basher on Oct 12, 2007 20:58:43 GMT -5
W2, what is the web address for RSS. i keep getting directed to Stillen...
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Post by johnc118 on Oct 12, 2007 21:30:12 GMT -5
It's called emergency stops, back before I learned whut antisway bars really were good for and had that Pinto!!! Fricken Ralph Nader he should a condemed any car without sway bars. Oh wait that cowtailed little sob never owned a car!!!
Holman Moody has been building some 64 Fairlane Race cars, they put MII type front ends on them. Many forms make the lower a-arms with sway bar brackets.
As for Sturt being faster in the corners than a arms. Apples and oranges, It would take more than just a ride to figure out which is best. Smae motor, trans same course, same speed with all the gadgets to see if the car really corners better.
I had a turbo charged dodge in Germany struts, yea it was fine at 136 mph. But on the other hand a friend had a 55 Chevy 2dr post, bad bad big block and it was just fine at 150 mph. I really like the 55 better, felt safer and d**n sure not like my ass was draggin down the autobahn.
You also have to remember our Meteors and Fairlanes need some help in the subframe connection dep. Our cars were not designed to go much over the 70mph speed limits.
But before you set your car up for corners you neeed to get some brakes!!!!
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Post by w2zero on Oct 13, 2007 0:52:48 GMT -5
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Post by roy on Oct 13, 2007 12:35:15 GMT -5
Part of my problem, with my car breaking loose may be the loads being transfered from front to back, & visa/versa Sub frames should have been my first "to do". It will be interesting to see if there is a big change after sub frame install. I asked My friend who installed the RC mustang 11 set up why he chose the RC set up over the RRS strut set up.(63 with 429) He said simply the cost difference.
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Post by ca on Oct 13, 2007 16:22:04 GMT -5
sub frames would help no end and you should also consider springs in the equation. if you stiffin the crap out of the rear with or without a sway it's probly still gonna come around. it's all about the right combo
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Post by w2zero on Oct 13, 2007 16:46:17 GMT -5
The connectors make the suspension work more where the body was absorbing a lot of movement. At the least, you'll have new squeaks to chase down.
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Post by roy on Oct 13, 2007 18:37:26 GMT -5
I know i,m using all the right parts, at least as far as stock stuff goes, but its trying to get the right balance or weight distribution, at least, when cornering. Even though i;m running: Eaton Detriot - H.D. front coils -4" drop Eaton rear leafs - H.D. 5 leaf 3" drop (station wagon) Quick Or front/rear sway bars. I keep forgetting , these car suspensions, even new & improved were never meant to corner like a Vette & probably never will. Sub frames may be a big help, letting the suspension do the work.
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Post by johnc118 on Oct 13, 2007 22:02:43 GMT -5
With work and good tires they will out corner a 72 Trans Am superduty!!! Had a 64 Fairlane 500 SC and did just that, the man with the TA was pissed but his witness rode with me!!
Never cut the tires short that can change everything.
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Post by roy on Oct 16, 2007 15:30:14 GMT -5
That is my goal, to match cornering ability of my Z-28 we have access to a track not far from my hometown, 2.5 mile world class track, they have a " run what you brung" days ,you see everything from new 4 wheel drive Carreas running with a 429 Cobra jet Torino. Great source, not only to improve your car, drving ability, but just gathering knowledge from the guys who have been running for years. Last time i was on track (July07) one of the the quickest cars of the day was a 64? Falcon, one of the original or copy of, Ford Ralley cars that toured Europe. Loved watching her lap the 80;s -90's Camaros, Mustangs, Porshes.
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