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Post by Joeyman on May 16, 2007 8:49:33 GMT -5
I don't have traction bar's. You really don't need them. My car hook's real good. I just had my leaf's reacrched and I put a set of Mickey Thomson Street ET's on there and she hook's. No problem's at the track. Just as long as you have a good pair of leaf spring's you do not need trackion bar's. What is happening with your car is they are aching backward's that causes the wheel hop. Your leaf's are weak.
I use to have the same problem. Real bad wheel hop. it would make me pretty angry. I had the leaf's rearched and problem solved. She take's of like a frog. The Leep Frog affect. Some of you might know what I am talking about. It take's off like a frog jumping. Like those MOPAR's with the super stock leaf springs.
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Post by ca on May 16, 2007 12:28:27 GMT -5
when you run leafs you are gonna get wrap whether you feel it or not!!! yur diff and axles will feel it and they will let you know it one day. if you don't believe me just run some slapper types with chalk marks and you can prove it to yurself i went through this in 68 with a brand new Mustang(and several cars since) and brand new leafs not re-arched. you can add leafs till it screams help and takes away all yur ride quality or just add bars - just my 2 pennys ;D
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Post by Joeyman on May 16, 2007 12:38:48 GMT -5
I know alot of people who use super stock leaf spring's with out any traction bar's.........and they race them at the track everyweek.
I don't know to much about it. But that is how my car is set up without bar's. If I would have bar's I'd get something like in those pic's from jonesfactor. I like that setup. I deffinately do not like traction bar's that hang low. Looks silly IMO
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Post by STU on May 16, 2007 15:29:28 GMT -5
My car doesn't wheel hop, it just spins like a bastard....LOL....If I could get it to hook it should run high 13's with the mostly stock roller 5.0 under the hood....It will run 14.4 @ 95mph on 14x5 rims with a peg leg 8" and 205-70-14 tires spinning like mad. It got even worse when I put the 9" diff in and went to 14x8 rims out back....I'm going to take it to the track this summer to try it out again. Since the last time I was there I removed the engine fan so that's good for a few ponies...LOL....Might try to find a posi for the 9" first. Look at my video links, you can see what happens when I whack it at the green light in one video - screaming and going no-where....LOL
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Post by w2zero on May 16, 2007 15:41:51 GMT -5
Those Mopars are using their pinion snubbers whether they know it or not. Check to see what yours is doing as you can use it to control how you hit the tires.
My springs were new when I bent them and they are the same ones sold for the Thunderbolt clones.
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Post by minimandan1 on May 16, 2007 21:41:42 GMT -5
I just thought because I hate the sway and was already going to put in a rear bar, thought this might be a good alternative. These have a double function, where as the sway bar only reduces sway. back to orig question: would it be foolish to do traction bars without a say bar?
Jones- what did you end up using for your setup
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Post by ca on May 16, 2007 23:03:12 GMT -5
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Post by minimandan1 on May 16, 2007 23:44:29 GMT -5
reduces sway, as well as helps keep rubber on the tires by making the car grip the ground. i dont realize; how would it be so easy to make straction bars - forginve me if I seem a little thick headed
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Post by ca on May 17, 2007 1:10:19 GMT -5
Dan go back to the first page of this thread and look at w2's setup. his is way more than basic but if yur dad can build an airplane then he could help you make a couple of traction bars. do a search on ebay and you can get an idea of different types etc. do they still have like "Metal Shop" in high school? thats where i made my first set along with a set of ladder bars. it's just so kool when you can make your own stuff rather than buyin n boltin. not everybody has the tools or time so take advantage when/if you can. Dan, i keep forgetin how young you are and that a lot of this stuff is new to you = so please forgive me. and keep askin questions ;D you know you could/can make make your own sway bar, right? ;D
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Post by minimandan1 on May 17, 2007 2:03:08 GMT -5
ya well i go to a jewish high school, and we're not exactly known to be too mechanical; so no we dont have a shop class. :/ In fact i think my family are the only jews i know that know how to poplery use a rachet For trac bars, correct me if I am wrong, just make a bolt on mount for the perch an then weld the other end of the bar 2 or so feet up onto the frame? Must it be adjustable like W2's or can it just be a steel pipe welded to a bracket on perch and then the frame? as far as sway bar- seems you would need to be pretty stong to bend in think tubing?? no really how could you make your own? I may not have an shop class but hopefully as my voluneer hours at the machine shop build up i will have access to what i need that is not at home
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Post by ca on May 17, 2007 14:41:27 GMT -5
haha, my best bud is a Jew and this week i had to fix his bathroom plumbing and i had to move an electrical box then he made me go to Toyota with him to help him understand how he got ripped off for parts/work that didn't need to be done = thats just this week.
you got the basic idea on the traction bars right but you know both ends need to pivot on the style like w2's,right? there are other types that bolt to the spring pad,line up with the springs with a Ubolt then bump or slap up against the end of the spring = those are used a lot but i aint so sure bout the shock loads that you get from those. the pivot type is best. without me gittin under the car right now(cause my back is killin me) but i think you can mount to the spring hanger if the front instead of the frame.
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Post by minimandan1 on May 21, 2007 19:32:45 GMT -5
"but i think you can mount to the spring hanger if the front instead of the frame. "
This would remove welding besides fabricating a mount to perch right??
My dad as plenty of tricks to make a tube pivot from his airplane project.
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Post by ca on May 21, 2007 20:28:19 GMT -5
it looks like you could attach to the side of the hanger, if you get fancy you could replace that side of the hanger. Jonesfactor's are setup close to or on the hanger. w2's look to be mounted to the frame ahead of the hanger and are longer which is best but too long a discussion as to why right now. when it comes to suspension parts longer is always better, at least every piece i can think of. you can do it either way but w2's way will make you a happy boy long time. plus you wouldn't have any down time while messin with the front shackle n all and if you go with different springs etc. would be easy.
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Post by minimandan1 on May 21, 2007 21:10:12 GMT -5
W2 maybe you chan chime in here with some pics and more explanation of what parts exactly you used to make them. My head is spinning- really, looked back at a thread about how an 8.8 explorer setup might work completely. there are so many different rear setups, I dont have any idea which is better or easier or more practical than the next. I hate to bug you all by keep running in circles but I just cant figure THE WAY. I dont want the car to be decmossioned too long, and i plan on doing engine, tranny, rear, and some front suspension. Give advice please I only know that I want somehow: to remove sway, increase traction, and beef it up for the boost in horespower.
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Post by minimandan1 on May 21, 2007 21:27:24 GMT -5
i am leaning towards rearching leafs, rebuiold 8 in, and addins way bar orrrrr, adapting an 8.8 setup off of something. After rereading joeymans post it makes me realize there mey be better alternatives
open for advice please
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